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Draw Reins?! – Pros & Cons…?
Last night I decided to try draw reins with my 11 year old arabian (who has been shown many times with his old owner). He had no problem with them and had his head perfect the whole time with the draw reins on. I have no idea whether or not to keep on using draw reins. I have heard both good things and bad things about them.
Are there any reasons why I shouldn’t keep on using them?
I am against using draw reins. They are about getting a head set rather than driving your horse’s energy forward to bring the hips into engagement as the withers elevate and then your horse can correctly come onto the bit. Draw reins back your horse off of the bit and force a false flexion of the neck rather than encouraging him to reach forward for it so you can collect the forward energy as you bring him onto the bit with correct flexion at the poll. Using draw reins is a backward way of training that develops the wrong muscles and is counterproductive in the long run.
The only people knowledgable enough to be qualified to use draw reins correctly usually don’t find it necessary or beneficial to incorporate them into their training programs.
gallop | Oct 29, 2009
Yes – because if you don’t know what you’re doing with them you can really damage yourself and your horse. As most people will say, these should only be used by people who know what they are doing or at the very least – are being supervised by an experienced person.
A lot of people (myself included) will also state that they are nothing but bandaid for a larger training problem. A horse needs time and dedication to be taught how to come into "frame" properly. A simply quick fix isn’t going to make this any better when he starts avoiding the bit or he starts flexing at the C3 vertabrae instead of breaking at the poll.
Arburbula | Oct 29, 2009
Does your horse need them? they should only be used with experienced riders or under their supervision because they can be used to make the horse Over stretch and that can hurt his neck. if he does need them then you can use them for about 10 minutes then drop them and ride normally for 10 minutes to see if he keeps his head in the right place. if not, repeat the steps a few more times then end with a walk around for 10 minutes on a loose rein.
iloveminiaturehorses | Oct 29, 2009
they can become a crutch and make it hard to go without them. they have their place. I’m not nuts about them though because I’ve been flipped over on from them… horses can get feeling a little too claustrophobic in them and blow UP! also, the direction of pull on their mouth is different than a direct rein, so they know when they are off. it’s hard to pull up a runaway with them too, been there, done that! lol
draw reins are a good tool to use sometimes, especially to tune up a seasoned horse like yours. just use them carefully and don’t get too dependent on them, good luck! 
impeach stupidity | Oct 29, 2009
yes it ill get your horse used to having his her head low and it will be looking sad
Brooke G | Oct 29, 2009
I personally don’t like them because they can be a safety issue and never fix the real problem. When a horse is moving correctly i.e. lifting his hocks, his abdomen and powering from behind, his neck naturally assumes that lovely arched look, his back rises and his movement lightens. Using draw reins to ’set’ a front end is rather like washing only the front of your car. It looks great from the front but the rear is a mess.
Start slowly, build your horses natural strength and flexibility and be patient. Quick fixes are never the path. You may think you fixed one thing but something worse is on the horizon.
Katie | Oct 29, 2009
Although I have never personally used them, I have never heard one good thing about them. They can really screw up the horse if they aren’t used exactly right. There are other, safer training aids that may help you train your horse to keep a proper headset.
One Bad A$$ Mistake America | Oct 29, 2009
I like draw reins, just start your horse out with a little flex then increase it over time. You just want to be sure to start them where they are comfortable and not force them into an uncomfortable position. They are a great way to teach a horse to drive forward from their hindquarters and find a comfortable head set on their own accord when used correctly and during ground work without the interference of the rider. We use them on the ground (lunging or round penning). My horses have benefited wonderfully from using this method.
This is funny, people get way to offended by some things. Draw reins are a training aid not a cure all. There are lots of steps to achieve a nicely collected and well trained horse. Its not the training aid its the people handling the horse and how the aid is utilized which will determine your end result. An inexperienced person would not know how to use draw reins or there benefits.
Jenny
Jenn | Oct 29, 2009
if you have a trainer ask her what they think
you should only use draw reins in short spurts.. like 10-15 minutes sessionsevery like 2 or 3 times you ride. please please pleasee DON’T DEPEND ON THEM!!! they can do a serious about of damage, even if they are good for a little while, use them in very short intervuls… don’t over do it!!
Bekah | Oct 29, 2009
This is an issue I have very strong feelings about.
It’s my observation that there are two things that are hallmarks of a mediocre trainer who isn’t interested in developing quality horses or quality riders: their go-to solution for any problem involving the horse ignoring or responding poorly to "slow down" or "stop" aids is to pull a more severe bit out of the tack trunk, and their go-to solution for head-set problems is put on a pair of draw reins.
The head-set issue really irritates me, first of all because so few trainers give any consideration to the conformation and physical build of the horse they are dealing with, and second of all because mediocre trainers and riders consider the head-set as a cosmetic issue and not in the context of the frame of the whole horse and what is supposed to be happening.
Head-set isn’t just getting the horse to carry his head and neck in a specific position. Head-set derives from the act of collection: the horse being "behind the rider’s hands and in front of the rider’s legs," with the spine from poll to tail a spring for the transmission of energy from the "engine," the hind-quarters, which is where impulsion is born, through the back, to the front end, on which the horse should be light and balanced, ready to turn in either direction, extend or collect his gait, to his neck which balances and leads, to his head down to his mouth, receiving communication from the rider and transmitting to the rider the feel of readiness for whatever action is called for.
Time and time again I’ve gone to shows, and you can see horses by the dozens with their heads and necks choked down into a cookie-cutter position by-the-book, while their backs are hollow or rigid and their hindquarters are strung out behind them. Horses that have been ridden every minute of their schooling with draw reings while the rest of the frame is neglected. (And the really hateful thing is that a lot of judges are ignorant of what they are seeing and will reward this b@st@rdization of good horsemanship with a ribbon.)
Not all horses can achieve the same kind of head carriage. Think at one extreme of something like a Fjord pony, with a very thick, relatively short, cresty neck, and at the other extreme, something like a long-necked, slender Thoroughbred. You can slap on a set of draw reins and brutalize the Fjord pony into something approximating the carriage the Thoroughbred will have, but is it functional? Hell, no!
By the same token, you have some breeds of horses, and the Arabian is among them, along with the Saddlebred and the Tennessee Walking Horse, that are bred for a relatively high-headed conformation, and some like the Quarter Horse, which are bred for a lower, more level head-carriage. Again, you can use draw reins to brutalize the Saddlebred into a low-headed position like the Quarter Horse, but it isn’t as functional to the conformation of the specific horse.
Don’t use draw reins as a substitute for horsemanship. Learn to develop the kind of hands, seat and body position, and the knowledgeable use of the impulsion aids, to put your horse into a workable frame that affords him the best chance to use his energy as efficiently and effortlessly as possible to accomplish the tasks you set for him.
Karin C | Oct 29, 2009
I’m not a fan of them
They cause the horse to overbend
The reins work from the bit and not the poll
Often when used too much once the horse goes without them, it will have it’s head a mile up in the air.
They’re a lazy tool in someways, they don’t encourage you or the horse to work properly.
Also many people do it but i don’t agree with jumping in draw reins, the horses head is to restricted
Like a Fox | Oct 29, 2009
Reasons not to use them:
1. They are dangerous for the horse and the rider.
2. They cause sore muscles in the horse.
3. They encourage the horse to drop its shoulders and back.
4. They look unprofessional.
5. They can’t be used in the show ring.
A German martingale will do the exact same thing as draw reins, only the function is discrete ( it actually gives relief when the horse drops its head and tucks its nose) and it can be set for a level that provides just a little added suggestion, instead of a wrenching ‘gag’ action that never stops. I honestly believe that using draw reins is one of the worst mistakes ANY rider or trainer can make. A trainer or rider who tells me they prefer draw reins sends up a big red flag in my mind that reads, "Here rides someone who has no clue."
charm | Oct 29, 2009
great question. the real crux of the matter is not if he goes better in draw reins, but how draw reins differ from normal reins, and why excatly his head set is better with this type of leverage then with normal contact with your hand.
in fact no one in this forum can rightly answer your question without seeing some type of video first. if you could post a video or a picture of you two at work with draw reins and without, that would be excellent and I could be much more helpful.
but until then,
if you are just focusing on your horses head set, then yes, draw reins have that effect. but remember, a horse does not learn from the application of pressure, they learn from the release of pressure. so if you are using them, then use them with a single set of reins as well, so you can give a reward when he is engaging himself.
the purpose of a nice headset is so that he can carry your weight with his back in a way that is not damaging to his spine, and skeletal structure.
here is a horse in draw reins that is very much in a correct position, and for whatever the reason, the trainer came to the conclusion that the horse would need them. We don’t know the reason behind it, but it could be that he needed them for this lesson and this lesson only. or this 5 minutes of the lesson and this 5 minutes of a lesson only. this horse is clearly not trained in draw reins everyday.
http://americashorsedaily.com/wp-content /uploads/tack112108.jpg
that horse is uphill, on the bit, and engaging his back muscles. his hind leg is well underneath him. however, this is not an artificial set. you can see from the muscling in this horse that he can be ridden like this with or without draw reins. they are not a crutch for this horse that take the place of correct muscling, they are a useful tool for perhaps softening, or stretching the horse.
clearly, you would never want to force a horse into a frame such as this:
http://dressage.files.wordpress.com/2008 /01/pp.jpg
there’s nothing wrong with riding deep and low for a few moments, but this is totally pointless, and it doesn’t really teach the horse anything, like how to carry himself.
the problem comes from people who see professionals on a particular horse at a particular training time and want to copy what the trainer is doing.
if your horse is having trouble with his headset then focus on circles without draw reins. work on making your circle at the walk and trot perfectly round around one point everyday. you have to learn the cohesive relationship between how fast he should be going into your hand. it would do you good to take lessons. if you use draw reins on him, it could actually deteriorate his training and muscling if he starts relying on them, rather then improving his overall posture and knowledge.
post a video about his way of going and your riding. you will get much constructive criticism about that then this question.
Ghost Rider in the Sky | Oct 30, 2009
